I was listening to a talk on Youtube called.
Allissa Nutting: Women Are Sexual Predators. A fairly informative video although I disagreed with a few point but in general the presentation was sympathetic to issues affecting men and boys which feminists and SJWs see as either not important or not existent. I will not critique the video itself. This post will highlight a comment thread consisting of myself Coweatsman and a poster with the handle name of Davey Jones.
He (I assume it was a he) started the thread thus.
a woman cannot force a man to get an erection, not with a gun, not with a nuclear weapon.
a woman is incapable of being predators in the same way men can be, and that's just a fact.
a woman cannot force a man to get an erection, not with a gun, not with a nuclear weapon.
a woman is incapable of being predators in the same way men can be, and that's just a fact.
just like you only knowing the one female serial killer by name is a direct result of there being so very few of them.
also the only reason we are having this conversation is because the media started using retarded language to describe
RAPISTS in order to sell TV shows about them.
humans are not predators, IT'S JUST A FUCKING METAPHOR you stupid cunt.
if
you change the language to what we are really talking about this is a
talk about 'women doing hurtful things to other people'.
and doesn't that express just how fucking stupid the entire premise of this talk is?
has there ever been a human being on this planet that believes women incapable of being cunts?
This comment is just dripping in denial in so many ways. I responded thus:
+Davey Jones Actually women can force men to have erections. Erections
are a physiological reaction to stimulus. It is not always voluntary.
Just ask any teenage boy. Erections happen in sleep. I know of a man
who awoke from an operation to find two female nurses playing with his
penis. Women getting a man drunk at parties and taking advantage of a
passed out males happens frequently. In fact female rape of men is
probably as common as rape of women by men.
Women are involved in
murders but more commonly as the commissioning agent employing the
sympathy of a male to do her killing for her. The movie with Nicole
Kidman "To Die For" illustrates how this happens. Also where women do
the dirty deed it is easy for a woman to have a sob story believed
whether true or false. Here are 9 female mass killers. http://www.the-line-up.com/9-female-serial-killers/
This is biological. Neotony. That is the tendency to care for cute baby
faces. It is why we care about babies and kittens. Women have more
neotonous than men. This is biologically hard wired in mammals. That is
why mammals will frequently care for the young of other species. It is
not a social construct.
Sadly he responded with:
+coweatsman
when a man gets an erection it means he wants to fuck.
i'm
not saying women can't take advantage of men, but rape, the kind people
generally think of when the word comes up, is something a woman can
never inflict upon a man in the same way as vice versa, or man on man
for that matter.
if you were forced to chose, would you pick brock lesner, or ronda rousy with a strapon?
This is just so dripping in ignorance and denial. He does not deny that "women can't take advantage of men" but somehow this is not rape even though this is almost a definition of rape. I replied:
+Davey Jones
Wrong.
An erection does NOT mean consent any more than an orgasm in the rape
of a woman means HER consent. No man EVER consents to sex in his sleep
and yet he may have an erection. An erection is a physiological
reaction. Just ask teenage boy who has INVOLUNTARY erections.
Women
can and do overpower men and do stimulate involuntary erections out of
unwilling men, especially when drunk. This is the rape of a man by a
woman. It is no different to an orgasm of a woman during rape.
There
are plenty of cases of underaged boys being forced into sex with an
older female they do not want. There erections ARE forced with
overwhelming physical force.
Did you know you are apologising for rape and enabling rape with your off hand reaction? You are adding to the problem.
Davey Jones took offence at this comment accusing me of making a strawman argument and finished up losing it.
+coweatsman
no you little cunt that is what is know as a strawman argument, and you can stick it right up your ass.
reed my previous comment again and actually respond to what i actually said or go fuck yourself.
He did not explain "involuntary erections" or address the issue of women taking advantage of such condition. He ignored that in preference for potty mouth language. I quickly replied:
+Davey Jones
Why
are you so aggressive? I pointed out that belittling male rape by women
adds to the problem. There are many reasons why men commit suicide 4 X
as often as women and having men's experiences devalued and discounted
are a part of the problem.
Davey Jones responds by underestimating my understanding of the male rape problem using the
non sequitur of male rape in prison, a related but different problem to female predatory sexual behaviour against males:
+coweatsman
those men are raped by other men you idiot.
and it happens mostly in prison.
and i am aggressive because the world is fucking drowning in bullshit like this.
you fucking selfish imbeciles spouting retarded assumptions as fact is slowly driving the entire human race psychotic.
your collective brain farts are poisoning the intellectual environment we all have to live in.
He continues with with ad hominem attack but does not support his argument. He has an emotional investment in his position. I followed with a fairly lengthy reply making my case.
+Davey Jones
You
are in denial about female rape OF men. I can't help you. Only you can
help yourself. What part of involuntary physiological reaction can't you
understand? Erections can be stimulated by force by women
involuntarily. Why can you not understand simple facts?
Take the bible story of Genesis
19:30-38
where Lot is raped by his two daughters. Obviously not a literally true
story but it illustrates that female rape of men happens. In the case
of Lot he was drunk beyond his control.
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30 And
Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two
daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a
cave, he and his two daughters.
31 And the firstborn said unto the
younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come
in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33 And
they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went
in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor
when she arose.
34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the
firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my
father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and
lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35 And they
made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and
lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she
arose.
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
38 And
the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same
is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
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The
same happens everyday in real life today. In fact it is probably as
common as non consensual sex by males with females like drunken sex. It
is attitudes like yours which makes the problem worse. I'm sorry to say
this but you are adding to the problem. You are playing "Queen
Victoria" with her attitude to lesbianism. Can not happen. Not possible
yadda yadda yadda. But it DOES happen.
Any sex with a man who is
too drunk to resist or who is sleeping is rape by the woman. What can be
the harm I hear sceptics ask? Sexually transmitted diseases for one.
Pregnancy for two and three is related to number 2. Child support
garnishing for the next 18 years for fatherhood he did not choose to a
woman he did not choose. There is in America a rape victim, a male
victim at school who MUST pay child support to his rapist, his female
teacher even though he was underaged and she is in prison for statutory
rape. That is the case of Nick Olivas. Consent is not a factor in
paternity liability. The courts do not care. There are cases of female
hospital nurses being paid child support by old men who were
CONSCIOUSNESS when the female nurse massaged them to erection and became
pregnant. Consent doesn't matter.
I know someone who woke up in
hospital with two female nurses playing with his penis. Don't you be
telling me that women can not rape men because they do and at a higher
rate than most people realise.
Still without supporting his case he continues with denial. My arguments went through him like so many neutrinos interacting with not a single brain neuron.
+coweatsman
denial nothing IT'S NOT THE SAME FUCKING THING you fucking imbecile!
go to prison and get raped by men and then tell me getting raped by a woman is just as bad.
have a son and a daughter and have both of them molested by a teacher.
and then tell me they are both suffering the same way.
you are an insult to everyone who has ever been raped, and an obstacle to any woman trying to get help for it.
the world would literally be a better place without you.
What a response! He invites me to get raped in prison. I am not talking about prison rape. He then accuses me of being an "insult" to those who have been raped. How bringing the problem of female sexual predation of males is an "insult I do not know. It can only make sense if "officially sanctioned" rape victims and their activists want to "other"other lesser ranking victims for fear of taking some undeserved benefits of victimhood. This is about territory. If it was not Davey Jones would not be taking offence. There are psychological games at play. I replied with:
+Davey Jones
Yes
a boy or girl raped suffer the same. They have been imposed upon
against their will. And if you will it is made worse for the boy because
of denialists like yourself who disempower and devalue the suffering of
the boy.
You did NOT explain your failure to understand
involuntary physiological erectionary reaction. Still you did not at
least deny it either so you may be making progress in your
understanding. SO you acknowledge that a man can be abused in his sleep
and become a non consenting financially liable father BUT that doesn't
matter because "he's a man" and "he should man up" and take his abuse
like a "man". He should NOT express his feelings. That makes it more fun
latter when we accuse men of NOT expressing their feelings. This
experiment would not be permitted by any ethics committee.
You
literally wrote that boys and men can be just thrown under the bus. That
we don't have to consider their feelings or traumas. YOU are the one
adding to the rape problem with your Queen Victoria reflex action. You
also said NOTHING about the financial vulnerability to child support
liability commitments so I guess you think that too is OK.
I
suggest you be more open minded and consider seriously that everything
you THINK you know about rape might be socially constructed rather then
being grounded in reality. You may be wrong. Think about it.
If
your argument had substance you would not need to call me a "fucking
imbecile" in caps if you like. Your argument would stand no matter who I
was. Insults are used instead of arguments.
And that is where the thread presently is.
